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Title: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Eliphaz on December 05, 2016, 04:04:08 PM
EDIT: Job completed - result visible at http://heatledger.com/papers/HEATComparison.pdf

We require a comparison chart of HEAT technology compared to some other crypto platforms, at least the following:

- Bitcoin
- Steem
- Ethereum
- Waves
- Ardor
- Bitshares

- Any others that promise to carry:

Asset-to-asset exchange
OR scalability of 100+ tps
OR sliced file blockchain

Required parameters for comparison: features, technology used (PoW, PoS, DPos etc.), actual tps max capacity, blockchain size, expected blockchain growth rate. We'll supply this info for HEAT.

Bounty: about 0.25 BTC or more, depending on the scale of work and paid after delivery, pdf invoice required

Written report / table needed within 7 days max. Reply to this thread to reserve the job.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: proto on December 05, 2016, 04:54:51 PM
Hmm reminds me of something like these comparisons:
Comparison Example 1 (https://s3.amazonaws.com/coingecko-buzz/lisk/lisk-2.jpg)
Comparison Example 2 (http://i.cubeupload.com/J02n9J.jpg)
Comparison Example 3 (https://i.stack.imgur.com/nf959.jpg)


Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: kani on December 05, 2016, 10:16:33 PM
Certainly, one must include Bitshares when comparing scalable a2a exchanges.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 06, 2016, 07:11:48 AM
Hello I can make a comparison chart of heat vs competitors.You can reserved me this job
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Eliphaz on December 06, 2016, 03:48:24 PM
Hmm reminds me of something like these comparisons:
Good material, already part of the job done there :)

Certainly, one must include Bitshares when comparing scalable a2a exchanges.
Thanks kani. I had it in mind but accidentally omitted.

Hello I can make a comparison chart of heat vs competitors.You can reserved me this job
Excellent. Please go ahead and ask any questions on this thread or through PM.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 06, 2016, 03:58:30 PM
Hmm reminds me of something like these comparisons:
Good material, already part of the job done there :)

Certainly, one must include Bitshares when comparing scalable a2a exchanges.
Thanks kani. I had it in mind but accidentally omitted.

Hello I can make a comparison chart of heat vs competitors.You can reserved me this job
Excellent. Please go ahead and ask any questions on this thread or through PM.
Okay I do research now and make a comparison chart now.You can provide me some specification of heat
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: verymuchso on December 06, 2016, 05:15:28 PM
Seems a lot that is not on any of those charts is going on in heat.
What comes to mind.


Btw. with micro services i'm talking about the Decentralized Services concept mentioned in the whitepaper.
Somehow it seems micro service is a much better term https://smartbear.com/learn/api-design/what-are-microservices/
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: verymuchso on December 06, 2016, 05:25:06 PM
"API based on standard ..." could also be a good one.
Would come down to NONE, OPENAPI or https://apiblueprint.org/ (dont know any other).

HEAT does openapi, afaik waves also should be openapi compatible although not sure if operational/completed.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 09, 2016, 11:17:37 AM
This is the partial comparison chart if you have find a wrong information about others coin please give me the correct information to get replace it to make more informative comparison chart before I send to the admin
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/29p69zq.jpg)

I have a market cap comparison graph too with heat between other coins.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: LookingIn on December 09, 2016, 12:13:54 PM
you should put Ardor/Nxt on this list.

Also it is starting to get to big for a gif, it needs to be interactive.

Also a video explanation should be made for youtube.

HEAT should be now active on an expert explanation of heat ready for youtube just like Dash did.

A video course into the parts of heat

The series should cover the uses and potentials of heat.

Maybe approach the girl that does the dash videos, she is freelance and also she is INTO crypto so will pick it up and speak honestly.

Well maybe add dash too.

Is heat going to be the New Year coin?
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 09, 2016, 12:17:33 PM
you should put Ardor/Nxt on this list.

Also it is starting to get to big for a gif, it needs to be interactive.

Also a video explanation should be made for youtube.

HEAT should be now active on an expert explanation of heat ready for youtube just like Dash did.

A video course into the parts of heat

The series should cover the uses and potentials of heat.

Maybe approach the girl that does the dash videos, she is freelance and also she is INTO crypto so will pick it up and speak honestly.

Well maybe add dash too.

Is heat going to be the New Year coin?
Ardor is in the list you have information about the ardor blockchain size and growth rate
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: LookingIn on December 09, 2016, 12:45:24 PM
I would remove Bitcoin and steem.

Do not seem on the same page..

Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Eliphaz on December 09, 2016, 12:54:23 PM
Good start, but we need spreadsheet chart, not image file.

TPS figures are all wrong. What are they based on?

Most features are also wrong. I don't know any coins which have Decentralized Applications in a way HEAT does. All the info needs sources. Please coordinate this privately.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 09, 2016, 04:24:26 PM
Good start, but we need spreadsheet chart, not image file.

TPS figures are all wrong. What are they based on?

Most features are also wrong. I don't know any coins which have Decentralized Applications in a way HEAT does. All the info needs sources. Please coordinate this privately.
Ah okay because I gather this information in thier website like in bitshare they said can handle 100,00 TPS.But anyway we can change into it
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 09, 2016, 04:39:07 PM
Good start, but we need spreadsheet chart, not image file.

TPS figures are all wrong. What are they based on?

Most features are also wrong. I don't know any coins which have Decentralized Applications in a way HEAT does. All the info needs sources. Please coordinate this privately.
By the way I already sent you the link of the excel check your inbox.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 11, 2016, 08:47:31 AM
Good start, but we need spreadsheet chart, not image file.

TPS figures are all wrong. What are they based on?

Most features are also wrong. I don't know any coins which have Decentralized Applications in a way HEAT does. All the info needs sources. Please coordinate this privately.
Waiting for your reply to my message that I sent you yesterday.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Eliphaz on December 11, 2016, 12:51:36 PM
As mentioned in private, please go through all the data, correct where necessary and supply references. TPS figures are all wrong, as are features (Bitcoin doesn't support Decentralized apps, sidechains etc.) The whole chart needs to be remade because none of the data can be trusted. Thank you
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 - 0.30 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Eliphaz on December 13, 2016, 03:48:56 PM
Job is open again due to communication problems with original contractor. Chart displayed in this thread needs a complete remake and all the info checked + corrected.

Please respond here to claim the job. Quick execution within 48 hours from claim will yield +0.05 BTC extra. Dash is required in the comparison in addition to the existing coins.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 - 0.30 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 13, 2016, 05:11:58 PM
Job is open again due to communication problems with original contractor. Chart displayed in this thread needs a complete remake and all the info checked + corrected.

Please respond here to claim the job. Quick execution within 48 hours from claim will yield +0.05 BTC extra. Dash is required in the comparison in addition to the existing coins.
Hello im doing well to gather some trusted data to listed in this comparison chart.And now you looking again.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: alsers on December 13, 2016, 08:51:43 PM
I want to claim the job
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Joel_Jantsen on December 13, 2016, 08:52:09 PM
Hi,Joel here,I want to claim this job.Thanks!
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: ikydesu on December 13, 2016, 09:02:48 PM
I want to claim this job. I also familiar with the altcoin in the list, also i can using editing software like photoshop for comparing.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: proto on December 13, 2016, 09:08:18 PM
Thanks for all your interest, please wait for Eliphaz to decide how to proceed now.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Eliphaz on December 13, 2016, 10:50:08 PM
Good to see renewed interest!  :)

Let's do this -

Anyone can edit the chart here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GsTDnhDYYdFeeq0sJAsZXkR0Y45c6UhMH0l2zVoeTAc/edit?usp=sharing

Please go through all the fields one by one and fix erroneous data / insert missing data. There are quite a few spots.

It's required to insert reference (source) for the data you fix or enter.

Insert source link by adding comment: Right click field -> Comment

Only change data when both of the following apply:

a.) data is missing or wrong
b.) you have a trustworthy source you can quote. Do not guess.

We'll pay 0.004 BTC for each fixed / entered field.
We'll pay 0.004 BTC for each new source used.
We'll pay 0.0005 BTC for each existing source quoted for fields that have number value
We'll pay something for tidying up the chart or other work we find useful.

Post any changes done into this thread with your Bitcoin address.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Kazadar on December 14, 2016, 03:16:42 AM
I just updated the following:

Bitcoin
Data fields inc. source: Blockchain size
- Source: Block explorer

Ethereum
Source for: Consensus, Blockchain size
- Source: Block explorer, homestead documentation

STEEM
Data fields inc. source: consensus, block target, TPS, supply (just a minor update to the newest numbers), supply 2020 and wallet acces.
- Source: their whitepaper and block explorer for supply.


Bitshares
Data fields inc. source: TPS,
Sources for: consensus and block time
- Source: their website.

DASH
Data fields inc. source: Blocktime, TPS
Source for: Supply, blockchain size
- Sources: DASH forum announcement, DASH website and block explorer
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 14, 2016, 07:24:06 AM
I just updated the following:

Bitcoin
Data fields inc. source: Blockchain size
- Source: Block explorer

Ethereum
Source for: Consensus, Blockchain size
- Source: Block explorer, homestead documentation

STEEM
Data fields inc. source: consensus, block target, TPS, supply (just a minor update to the newest numbers), supply 2020 and wallet acces.
- Source: their whitepaper and block explorer for supply.


Bitshares
Data fields inc. source: TPS,
Sources for: consensus and block time
- Source: their website.

DASH
Data fields inc. source: Blocktime, TPS
Source for: Supply, blockchain size
- Sources: DASH forum announcement, DASH website and block explorer
Nice job dude
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 14, 2016, 10:43:22 AM
I make some ardor data changes I get the data with their developers via their slack channel they said they are currently in testnet so there's no blockchain size for now.And ardor can make 4 TPS.Ardor main net launch on 1st quarter of 2017.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Eliphaz on December 14, 2016, 11:05:38 AM
Good progress. Bitshares claimed tps of 100k isn't actual currently. Updated to 1000 tps which is in theory possible with their current system.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Kazadar on December 14, 2016, 02:18:56 PM
Good progress. Bitshares claimed tps of 100k isn't actual currently. Updated to 1000 tps which is in theory possible with their current system.
The problem, especially for TPS, is that most of the data sources doesnt specify the test conditions. Some use actual numbers, others test their components separately, and some use theoretical values. Then there is the different hardware setups used.

It does make getting an accurate comparision of TPS hard to come by.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: jeffmarco on December 14, 2016, 03:10:11 PM
Hi @ all

I'll do the research for the missing Blockchain sizes, growth rates and available supplies now.
Just so we dont do anything twice :)
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Eliphaz on December 14, 2016, 04:29:31 PM
It does make getting an accurate comparision of TPS hard to come by.
Indeed. However this comparison job is meant to benefit HEAT, so we stick to proven or reasonably possible rates for the competitors, not what they in theory claim to aim for :)

I'll do the research for the missing Blockchain sizes, growth rates and available supplies now.
Just so we dont do anything twice :)
Great. Welcome to the HEAT community!
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 14, 2016, 04:41:11 PM
I contacted the one of the team of steem and he told me some good data about the steem I will change it again the steem data in the spreadsheet.
 
Steem

Consensus mechanism : pow/dpos
Blockchain size : 5596 mb
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: jeffmarco on December 14, 2016, 05:38:43 PM
since iam lacking time right now i could only provide 3 more numbers (including links) for now.
ill be able to put in more time at night.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Kazadar on December 15, 2016, 12:15:25 AM
I see someone has put in the 1-30 sec block times for waves. Is the 1 sec. block time live yet? I only see it as something they are working on.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: jeffmarco on December 15, 2016, 12:02:01 PM
Q: How long will transactions take?
A: In main net 1.0 ~ 30 sec. after that there’ll be a fork, the transactions time will lie in 1 sec range. don’t want to have it at launch, first the focus is on custom tokens, decentralized trading etc. for 1 sec tx’s some new POS is going to be implemented, LPOS, where lite node choose a full node to lease their balance to, they still receive the rewards, but the transactions become much faster due to the fact that only full nodes process them effectively

https://blog.wavesplatform.com/faq-7664c1d1b1bf#.83e1h5z7z
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Kazadar on December 16, 2016, 10:50:02 AM
Okay. It was just that I found somewhere that said it was 10-30 sec. mow and then 1 sec after the fork.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 16, 2016, 03:23:37 PM
Okay. It was just that I found somewhere that said it was 10-30 sec. mow and then 1 sec after the fork.
Your wrong I contacted the waves team via their slack page.And they told to me the the actual block target time of waves is 1 minute.And thiers no actual tps of waves but they can transact about 100 per block time.Lastly the waves blockchain size  the toatal of 1 gb  but they have no record of the growth rate of their waves blockchain because they didn't complete yet  the implementation of the Rollerchain so they hard to determine it.

I edit again the chart for correction and adding data about waves.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: eureka on December 16, 2016, 04:29:48 PM
I thought that we had an official coin logo? Why does the spreadsheet still have the old coin logo (which looks like it comes from the eighties)
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Eliphaz on December 16, 2016, 06:00:32 PM
Why does the spreadsheet still have the old coin logo
Because you nor anyone else didn't change it in the freely editable document :)

Document formatting was updated by a friendly member, here's the link again for the document we're working on
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GsTDnhDYYdFeeq0sJAsZXkR0Y45c6UhMH0l2zVoeTAc/edit

If someone would be nice enough to transfer the logos as well from this draft document, it'd be appreciated - can't get my head over how to handle gfx in Google sheets:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C1Ua7Q3fRr4F4CQBSeF8t5j0PlUx6tNXga2nuqDUwWQ/edit#gid=0
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 17, 2016, 02:28:39 AM
Why does the spreadsheet still have the old coin logo
Because you nor anyone else didn't change it in the freely editable document :)

Document formatting was updated by a friendly member, here's the link again for the document we're working on
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GsTDnhDYYdFeeq0sJAsZXkR0Y45c6UhMH0l2zVoeTAc/edit

If someone would be nice enough to transfer the logos as well from this draft document, it'd be appreciated - can't get my head over how to handle gfx in Google sheets:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C1Ua7Q3fRr4F4CQBSeF8t5j0PlUx6tNXga2nuqDUwWQ/edit#gid=0
Like the bitshares have no data in their blockchain size.But im still contacted them to get some data about that.

If finish to filling the data in comparison chart I will make some revision on the design of the spreadsheet in excel and image file format.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: dawnasor on December 20, 2016, 03:16:22 PM
I just contact the developers and the team of bitshares two days ago and now they give the the data about the bitshares blockchain size,growth rate of the their blockchain and the actual tps that they didn't know for now but they assume it is a 100000 tps.But the test net of bitshares can process over 3600 tps.

I fill the data about bitshares in the chart.
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: Eliphaz on January 05, 2017, 04:38:48 PM
The job has been preliminarily completed. All participants please send me by PM a wrapup of how you contributed and how much BTC we owe you. Also pointing out any errors is appreciated. Thank you!  :)

(http://i.imgur.com/JrPZykE.png)
http://heatledger.com/papers/HEATComparison.pdf
Title: Re: [BOUNTY 0.25 BTC] Comparison of HEAT vs. competitors
Post by: gh on January 05, 2017, 07:51:41 PM
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